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Post by lcdc1 on Mar 2, 2008 18:23:33 GMT -5
Yeah, thanks, that is what I was trying to explain. That is why my 14 year old slid under the radar for so long! |
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Post by lillian on Mar 2, 2008 22:49:37 GMT -5
These scores cannot be correct. 82 is not low average or the 19% percentile. Are you sure they said her IQ was 82 and not 87? 87 is low average and the 19th percentile. 82 is below average and more like the 11th or 12th percentile.
WISC-IV
VCI 27% Average
PRI 6 % Borderline
Working Mem 34% Average
PSI 50% Average
IQ 82 19% Low Average
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Post by deebee on Mar 3, 2008 1:13:10 GMT -5
Someone at millerboards helped me get a range on the SS scores, based on percentages.
VCI ss 90-91/ 27%, Average
PRI Ss 75-77/ 6%, Borderline
Working Mem ss 94, 34%, Average
PSI ss 100, 50%, Average
IQ 82 19% Low Average
I'm guessing the IQ is correct as it shows a sum of SS scores
with VCI=25, PRI=19, WMI=18, PSI=20, and when you add these up it totals 82. It's possible one of the other scores could be wrong??? causing an incorrect total. I'm working at getting a copy of all the subtests from the evaluator.
I thought that to qualify for an IEP for OHI based on ADHD, that you only have to prove how the disability affects the vitality of the student and impact their ability to learn.
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Post by lillian on Mar 3, 2008 1:25:32 GMT -5
My goodness, this is a lot of testing! How many hours/days did this testing take? Was this done at a hospital? If this was done at a hospital, I would sit back and listen to what the neuropsych has to say about the ADD, even though you may not initially agree with it. My suspicion is that the ADD dx has come from the second group of tests you listed--WRAML, Trail Making, Finger Tapping (though there's not a score on the latter test). I'm not a neuropsych, and I didn't test your daughter, but I definitely see some NVLD issues in this testing. Her PRI is lower than her VCI, and I strongly disagree that this is not an issue because of her overall cognitive performance. She has some excellent VCI scores, with three of them ranging from the 75th percentile to the 91st percentile; whereas none of her PRI scores are over the 37th percentile. That's significant. Now, the neuropsych could come back and say that her motor difficulties interfered with some of her PRI scores, particularly block design, but motor difficulties are common with NVLD, so I think that comment would only support the possibility of NVLD, if the neuropsych makes it. Most of your daughter's achievement scores are excellent and higher than her IQ score, which is common with NVLD. By the way, I see some decoding issues (passage comprehension and nonword repitition), but I don't see a psuedoword decoding score or a word attack score for the achievement test. It's part of the WJ Achievement, so its absence must be an oversight. Make sure you get this from the neuropsych. Moving on...I definitely see some math issues, as well. Even though her math scores are average, they are a relative weakness for her in comparison to writing and reading. The IQ test may shed some light on this. Your daughter's IQ test shows that she is having difficulties with higher-level thinking skills (matrix reasoning and similarities) and with both long-term (comprehension) and working memory (digit span, letter/number sequencing, and arithmetic). A combination of higher-level thinking issues and memory issues can make math extremely difficult. Usually, a combination of these issues will make writing difficult, as well, but your daughter's does not seem to be impaired? The neuropsych talks about visual memory and visual processing speed deficits, and I would ask a lot of questions concerning this. It seems to me that these deficits would effect math, as well, for the neuropsych says that your daughter has great difficulty switching from one visual task to another. Isn't that what happens constantly in math? Boy, I tell ya, I've got a lot of questions about this testing. Can I go to the appointment with you?  |
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Post by deebee on Mar 4, 2008 2:59:44 GMT -5
Lillian,
Boy, I tell ya, I've got a lot of questions about this testing. Can I go to the appointment with you? [
ROFL!! I would love to take you to my appointment. Maybe the psych would be more cooperative if I showed up with troops!
Wish me luck. I'm driving the 50 miles tomorrow to camp at the doctor's office until I receive all my daughter's scores. The psych is only in that office on Tuesdays.
This testing is from two different years.
Last year her counselor and PSR were concerned with behaviors, and recommended a psych evaluation. I agreed as I saw trouble in school
First Psych only did WISC, and a hands test. When I protested that this was insufficent they added the BASC and Connors.
Then requested testing from school. They did WJIII and parts of NEPSY and CTOPP. School found Achievement > IQ so daughter didn't qualify for IEP.
The remaining scores are from this year. My daughter is failing most of her classes, especially math so I had an IEE done.
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Post by lillian on Mar 4, 2008 8:03:18 GMT -5
Ahhhhh. Three different people did this testing? And this testing has taken place over two years? O.K. My advice is this...Look at what was done during the IEE, the information you are getting today, and think of this as your daughter's current cognitive/academic profile. Any testing that is over a year old is not valid today, as an academic or cognitive profile. The older testing should be used as a comparison to current testing, only. In fact, when you have a child in SPED, I recommend that you have your child privately tested annually, if you can afford to, so you have a PLOP (present level of performance) on your child and can make valid decisions regarding your child annual IEP goals and objectives. A child's academic performance can change quite drastically in a year's time, particularly when the child is receiving specialized instruction in the area of weakness. You want to know how it's changing--going up, coming down, stagnating--because that lets you know if the specialized instruction is working and how you need to adjust it. Having said that, I don't like the fact that you took your daughter for an IEE, and the evaluator KNEW your daughter was failing math but did not give a comprehensive math evaluation, and, it appears from the comments made, did not address why your daughter is having difficulties with math. Now, the upside, is that if the evaluator gives an ADD dx, you can get an OHI since she's failing in school. It doesn't make any difference whether or not her achievement scores are higher than her IQ, with an OHI. NVLD is not recognized by most school districts in the country, anyway. I think New Hampshire or Conneticut or Vermont (can't remember which one) is the only state that recognizes it? Anyhoo, the evaluator doing the IEE may have given you the best option for an IEP that you are going to get. I would want the evaluator to really stress how ADD she is, whether I agreed with it or not.   |
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Post by lillian on Mar 5, 2008 10:06:51 GMT -5
 Well? How did the meeting go?
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Post by deebee on Mar 6, 2008 9:26:49 GMT -5
Your picture about sums up the meeting!!
It did not go well. They still refused to give me any specific scores stating that the report had all the information that was pertinent.
The only thing good that came out of the meeting was that the evaluator agreed to provide an addendum with diagnosis for ADHD.
Daughter has OT evaluation this Saturday, so hopefully this will be helpful.
We have a "request to evaluate" IEP Meeting next week
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Post by lillian on Mar 6, 2008 9:38:56 GMT -5
Your picture about sums up the meeting!! It did not go well. They still refused to give me any specific scores stating that the report had all the information that was pertinent. WHAT??? Who IS this pompous jerk? How dare this person test your daughter and not give you the scores!!! OMG! I've never heard of such a thing. Did the school pick this evaluator? |
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Post by deebee on Mar 6, 2008 9:49:12 GMT -5
No this evaluation was my idea. I figured I wasn't going to get anywhere with school as she was denied an IEP at the end of last year.
The psych office most people go to in this town took 7 months with my son's evaluation, and they too did not want to provide test results. I just happened to get them by mistake (apparently I was given a sheet that I wasn't supposed to). I didn't want to go through them so I just picked a name from the internet. I picked the evaluator I found because he was a neuropsych, not just a psych.
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